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Sunday, November 4, 2018

Holocaust revisionism debunk challenge

Note: I may change the title for this. An article addressing both Zionists & the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazis/other people who hate Jews should be out in a few weeks.
This articles does NOT support/promote collective anti-Jewish hatred or any type of collective hatred for that matter. Rather, it is to shed light on content about the Holocaust that I feel that is not talked about enough, & if anything is incorrect or missing, hopefully someone will address it.

Some comments by Ryan Dawson:


"It is not promoting Holocaust denial. It is rejecting Holocaust exaggerations and nonsense. If someone said nukes and holograms were not used on 911, that would not be 911 denial. If someone said 2,900 people died from either fire or the buildings collapsing or the planes crashes themselves, but not from electric floors and not 20,000 people. That is not 911 denial. Saying Al Qaeda did not make human soap is not pro Al Qaeda. Its pro reality. Fact is 16 of the 22 camps did not have gas chambers. that is agreed upon by everyone. Of the remaining six two only have a couple sentences attributed to them as evidence and none of the 6 had physical evidence of gas chambers. Promoting dumb war propaganda as history will get people to throw the baby out with the bath water. Holocaust exaggerations are the main cause of Holocaust denial. There was a Holocaust. It was bad enough on its own. Starvation, shootings, disease, beatings and being worked to death. You dont need to add extraordinary bullshit to it like soap lampshade gas and ovens and 6 million. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki though the allies needed something huge and grotesque to out do that horror."
- The most Taboo topic

"Questioning the truth claims of the Holocaust is no more pro Hitler than opposing the war in Iraq would be Pro Saddam. Demanding real investigations into crimes of the allies likewise is no more anti-jewish than investigating potential war crimes in Iraq is anti-American. It is vital to know who really killed who and how, because to ignore the this total war mentality of the allies in WWII and to allow them pass off some of their own crimes onto their enemies only allows those who believe they can control the media to continue war crimes brought about by the ideology of total war. British and American forces purposely starved people as a tactic and as a result the militaries they were fighting, the civilians, and prisoners in those countries all starved, but in the reverse order."
Germar Rudolf on the Ethnic Cleansing of Germans Post WWII and his own persecusion.


"The American Empire is every bit as guilty of the same crimes that were done in the past which are so rightly demonized. I for one to not buy into the number of Six million or the gas chambers I think saying Zero is even crazier I do not believe in the other theatrical stuff about soap and lampshades etc. But there were labor camps people did starve and were worked to death! That is enough. However the allies were guilty of all the same things. My stance is not good vs evil but evil vs evil. That's the nature of GOVERNMENT it's wicked."
American Nazis? How are the empires different besides who lost?

"I do not want any pro-nazi or anti-jewish or zionist anti-arab/white/whatever BS in the comments. If it gets to be an emotional crap fest I will turn comments off completely. Act like rational adults and have a serious discussion."

Description of Could some of the Holocaust be exaggerated? Auto-vilification 2.

Me:
Let's say a bank robbery happens. The prosecutor claims that the robber stole $6,000,000, when the evidence shows that the robber stole only $500,000.
Am I denying that a robbery occurred if I simply question the numbers involved based on facts and evidence?

Are Revisionists Anti-Semitic?


Revisionism and the Promotion of Peace

The Crime of Politicizing the Holocaust

The Great Holocaust Trial

Holocaust why the numbers do matter:
https://youtu.be/H8NaKFw50-g

Holocaust Denial Videos:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120613232902/http://holocaustdenialvideos.com:80/

Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust




Ryan Dawson's videos against racism:

Fritz Berg vs Eric Hunt Debate:


Documentaries:

Links:

More than Taboo (1:32:24):

Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil (Full Video) (2:21:37):


Talks:


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Sut Jhally will not be coming to LA (his letter to me):

"I’m certainly not anti Semitic nor do I push wild conspiracies. I do tell history from the point of view of the losing side. It does not make me agree with the losing sides. There are anti Zionist who are actually anti Semitic, there are always wolves in Sheep’s clothing. I am not one of those. All of my work has always been on my site as is my biography. I have not censored and hidden anything. You can look at all my guests on different topics. None of these people are hateful or promoting “the Illuminati runs the world” or anything like that. Its been consistently anti-war, in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, in Ukraine, in Afghanistan, and yes even WWII and the Civil War the two “good wars” that I do not think were so good. No war is good.

First the confederacy https://youtu.be/tLlXC4WUUx0 please tell me what is so offensive about that? A quarter million Southerners died in that war and whole cities were burned to the ground. The main reason people fought was to defend their own property, not slaves or tariffs or taxes. You’ll never hear me defend barbaric practices. That war was coming long before 1860 and secession movements started after the Mexican War. Also Lincoln personally wrote to governors after the Corwin amendment which the North introduced and passed which constitutionally protected the institution of slavery. All the southern states had to do was stay in the union and ratify it. They seceded anyway, because that was never the primary reason for secession. It was tariffs, and that’s how the war started by SC firing on Fort Sumpter, where the export taxes were physically collected. That is a fact. It was also after Lincoln put a naval blockade on three of his own states to collect taxes. That’s why North Carolina seceded. Without NC, Virginia would have been surrounded and the war over in a few months, if it even began. Lincoln had also made mass arrests in Maryland with no due process, including judges he didn’t like and the army fired on and killed civilians Baltimore. It’s in their state song. Maryland my Maryland.
Secondly the flag
Below is the symbol for the Mississippi Freedom Party which was endorsed by Martin Luther King. The flag was a symbol of THE SOUTH not The racist south. Black homes were burned by Northern armies too… I hope this is not the first time you have heard or thought about this. The flag started becoming so racist around 1990 when Mtv and HBO made it so. I grew up with the flag in every form of culture from TV shows like Dukes of Hazards to Kid Rock concerts, to high school mascots. It was never a racist symbol. It’s the battle flag of Virginia and honors the dead. Yeah the Klan, which is like what a hundred people max, waves it around, they wave the American flag around too so what? That’s like saying BLM supports killing police because some extremist calling himself BLM shot some police. I defended the south after that idiot in SC shot people and I defended Black Lives Matter too after the same kind of incident.
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This clear cut good vs evil reason for the civil war is what is a crass and conspiracy theory. It’s childishly ignorant of the complexities of the war. Calling the South racist (any more than the North) is on the same level of ignorance as thinking everyone in Japan does Karate. It’s a horrible stereotype that is not ground in reality in 2016. The South is the most racially integrated area on the US. Of course they have racial conflicts, that’s where most Blacks, Latinos, etc live. The South also had to restart in education and economically post Civil war because their major cities centers had been burned and looted. It really set things back for the people who lived there the overwhelming majority of which had nothing to do with the war. The reason for adding the stars and bars to state flags was not the civil right movement it was the centennial of the civil war. People of SC changed their flag and that is fine because it is their flag. It’s not up to people who do not live there.
WWII:
The US did not enter WWII to save the Jews. They didn’t care about any particular ethnic minorities. They had their own economic interest. They had their own post war propaganda too. Yes even America lies. The death toll done by the Axis has been played up and the death toll by the allies has been played down. There is no way in a city of 380k that Hiroshima’s instantaneous bombing killed only 100k people. The post war starvation in all the losing countries is also glossed over. The only thing separating Allied crimes from Axis crimes is the Holocaust. Otherwise its just like WWI a pointless war of imperialist fighting each other by sacrificing their poor. Both my grandparents were in that war one killing Nazis one killing Japanese. The one sent to Germany was also in the Korea War. His father was in WWI and his grand father was in the Civil War. He helped invent the submarine. And his ancestors were in the Revolutionary War. Betty Washington married into our family. A Dawson was chancellor of W&M when Thomas Jefferson went to school there. My mother’s dide was opposite all American Indians and a few pirates. I remember asking my surviving grandfather about WWII and Korea. I thought he was a hero. He said, “no, Ry by the time I was in Germany they were just starving. They used to send little girls to the kitchen begging for food, after the war.” Did you give them any?” No,” he hung his head. How about Korea? Weren’t use in a tank? Yes we had three tanks, but listen to me and don’t forget this. “There was no point or purpose of that war.” That’s all he would say about it. And later I found out he had pulled dead North Koreans out from where they had shelled them and looking at them and how young they were he just cursed the whole situation. My Native grandfather I never met but he was island hopping and burned Japanese to death with a flame thrower. He was shot through the leg but lived. Ironically I married a Japanese woman and had a child. I feel like I gave one life back.
Please don’t confuse Eric Hunt with Kyle Hunt. Kyle Hunt is racist white nationalist trash. Eric is a school teacher and historical revisionist. Yes he gets trashed on the internet again so what everyone does who talks about politics. He doesn’t deny the Holocaust. He just doesn’t think it was six million. No one studying it actually does. That ought to be good news. I am happy believe less people died and many of them made it out. Raul Hilberg placed the number at 5.5m people and that’s the highest it ever was. I had a different revisionist on right after, Dave Stein, saying Majdanek probably did have gas chambers and that though the gas disguised as showers was a war time myth that’s not a reason to dismiss gas chambers and that that spot had previously had them but they were destroyed. We have witnesses and confessions from these other camps. No one sane would deny it. We also had false claims about the western camps like Dachau which did not have gassing saying they did then later admitting they did not. It did have thousands of people worked to death and shot. They were also marched to the Tegernsee camp and killed over there. It’s important to point these things out and explain them because naysayers will point to evidence of labor camps which did exist and then say ah ha they were all like that. They were not. I’m the guy actually engaging these people instead of screaming racist and dropping the mic and walking away. That simply doesn’t work. I got Eric to admit on record millions were killed. I met Marc Gould who befriended Nazis and turned on them and put them in jail. He spoke at the Knesset and has one of the only two 100% voted they ever made which was to convict SS Lieutenant Colonel Bernhard who Marc had befriend. The press completely turned on him and attacked him because he released info about the Holocaust that Frank had records of showing names of people who had died with kill orders and stamps. It wasn’t the number they wanted and so he has been attacked. Now I know this guy. He’s Jewish and very proud of it, he has three daughters. I’ve met them. He doesn’t have a ill bone in his body. but google his name and look at what has been said about him. No one will defend these people, because it is easier to throw them under the bus and not get associated with it. I interviewed David Cole too who had the shit beat out of him by the JDL on Thanksgiving when he was walking home form the grocery store. He’s also Jewish. I have been to his home and seen his dying mother who was about 90lbs sleeping in the kitchen. He takes care of her. He and Hunt do not get along but both at some point in their life have reduced the numbers killed in the Holocaust and for that lost everything. It isn’t right. Even if both were wrong it’s not right.
I have a great number of videos defending Jewish people on my channels from the insane collectivism they must put up with. I have to make these from time to time because if you defend Palestine it must be because you hate jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu70koRyU-g Israel vs Jews Learn the difference. And boycott Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LYsfysaRg Blame the Jews not a Zionist crowd taken to the woodshed
https://youtu.be/S2L-IFqvr1E Me defending and attack from Adam Holland
That guy smeared me and the SPLC and ADL picked up his report and attacked me too. Shockingly the ADL removed it after I wrote to them so did the SPLC but later they put it back.
It’s also important to ask why one genocide towers above others the Congo, Bengal, Native Americans (which is my people) Vietnamese, Koreans, Iraqis etc. the US has killed millions post WWII. The reason they dont get the same weight is because WWIIs rescue story, though true, is the excuse for every war after it. And the more it is reduced the less of a weapon it is. I am standing up for justice. I do it in more unsafe circles. If you let people get away with saying human soap and skin lampshades or gas out of showers, then a large portion of people are going to reject the whole thing as false.
It’s no different than saying Bush did 911. It is a ridiculous statement. But that doesn’t mean there wasn’t any state sponsorship of the event or that it was not wrongly tied to Iraq because in both cased it was. I call it the shield of ridiculousness. You say something way out in left field and dismiss it with the only alternative being the official narrative, in order to hide the official narrative from more legit questions and opposing evidence. If you dont take the shield of ridiculousness away you can’t uncover crimes. Its like saying Hamas wants to push the Jews into the sea. Iran’s leader said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map, and babies on incubators. These are myths that broke or are breaking others are myths than did not. Sure I can be wrong about what I think is a myth and what isn’t but that’s the point of open dialog and discussion. I don’t shut anyone off no matter how black the sheep is. I even invited David Duke on so I could argue with him about racial determinism and show how stupid it is, he got wind of what I was going to do and backed out. He goes on news shows all the time and they dont call him out on WHY he is so wrong they just say he is and call him names. I would have picked his idiot philosophy apart.
I like Max. I met him twice. Not a big fan of his father, but I like Max. His film about African migrants is also on my site.

You might like my own film about Neocolonialism in Africa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmP22Kanv3M
Max’s views about the Civil War however are based on prejudice and poor public school education. A liberal so wants to believe racism is behind everything bad that they accept that as an answer and stop looking at anything else. You made an anti southern comment on my show when I was interviewing you. I’m pretty certain you’ve never lived there. People from the south change their accent on purpose because there is so much acceptable prejudice toward it. They have to or they can’t get hired in some places. Hollywood constantly trashes the south and southern culture. People are made to feel ashamed just because of the chance location of their birth. Have you ever thought about how people from the south feel when you made anti-southern comments as if they are just matter of fact trivia?
I’m going to suffer greatly financially by you not coming. So I’m going to have to read your email over YouTube and defend my poisons. Everyone knows I’m not anti Semitic or racist. It just going to make you look like a typical reactionary Liberal professor. Being surrounded by students who are easy to boss isn’t healthy. it makes your head big. I understand though that you are a teacher and the cowardly thing to do is to protect yourself from being associated with people accused of nasty things instead of standing up for that person. I have never ever ever been racist or defended racist practices.
It’s really arrogant that you’d think I’d learn anything from your film that I didn’t already know. It’s a great film but don’t talk down to me. I started the BDS movement in 2001. We just didn’t call it BDS. No credit for that though. And I worked with the Presbyterian church on divesting the whole time. Look it up it predates 2005. We had the PSM at Duke back then and I worked with Diana Buttu. I have always stood up for the bullied even when it is the hardest like the Germans and Japanese, the South, the Communists, and no I am not a communist, even ISIS I understand it. Make no mistake I want them gone, but I still can understand why a young man after witnessing nothing but war and starvation would flock to the leader on the hill.
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I’ve been advocating Palestine rights openly my whole life back when you were too afraid to do it. You do not have to come screen your own movie over a difference in historical opinion if you don’t want. But don’t call me anti Semitic or a wild conspiracy theorist. Also I’m not pro confederacy. I very much like the US having all 50 states. Pointing out the real causes (plural) for the Civil War doesn’t mean I agree with the civil war on either side. The north also had slaves and killed Indians and later enslaved the Chinese. The 1860s were a very racist and sexist society all around the world. So was the 1940s.
I don’t dismiss great people over one thing like say Thomas Jefferson because he had slaves or Socrates because he had sex with boys or Einstein because he has sex with his cousin. I just point out the good and the bad. Most of us maybe all of us are gray onions not black or white. Most of History is too. The “bad guys” also had their reasons and beliefs. Even Zionist have their reasons. I don’t agree with them but I try to understand them. I’d hope you’d understand my position as a journalist for letting all people speak in free speech especially those with the least popular or even jail-able opinions. I Equally no, much more seek out opinion I agree with and give them the platform. The guess who spoke before you was a Republican state senator from Virginia (Richard Black) couldn’t be any more different on 99% of things. But he disagreed with the war in Syria and saw that the US was fostering terrorist groups covertly. He might have gotten mad that I had you on talking about Palestine. In fact, a lot of people would be. I do it anyway. If I wanted money or a bigger audience I would be a partisan hack and stick to safe issues. That is how I am, I let everyone speak and I let them get challenged too and you’re more than welcome to voice your opinion about the Civil War or WWII."

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Holocaust Revisionism and Neo-Nazism:

"One of the most damaging, oft-repeated and false accusations leveled against Holocaust revisionism is that it is part of an extremist neo-Nazi movement, the ultimate purpose of which is to destroy democratic political systems and reintroduce Nazi totalitarianism. Expressing this widely held sentiment, a major opponent of Holocaust revisionism, Dr. Michael Shermer, described Holocaust revisionists as a "small but vocal group of anti-Semites, neo-Nazis, and political radicals who would like to see the return of National Socialism."[1] Shermer imputes to all revisionists a covert desire to restore the Third Reich, or bring on a Fourth. A cursory review of the evidence will easily demonstrate the falsity of this claim. 

Laird Wilcox, an expert on political extremism, estimated in 1989 that a minority (up to 25%) of Holocaust revisionists were Nazi apologists, which means of course that the vast majority (75%) at the time were not.[2] In the decade that followed Wilcox's estimate, revisionism has attracted a much wider audience which surely reduces this figure significantly. Holocaust revisionism's opponents like Shermer make it a point to ignore this important piece of evidence whenever they invoke the "revisionism-equals-Nazism" canard.

The father of Holocaust revisionism, Paul Rassinier, was a pacifist, former Communist and left-wing socialist who opposed the Nazis during WWII, and because of his activities in the French Resistance was interned by the Germans in Nazi concentration camps.[3] Indeed, this association of liberal and left wing intellectuals with Holocaust revisionism has continued in France to this day. The French-Jewish historian and bitter opponent of revisionism, Pierre Vidal-Naquet, has noted that at the core of revisionism in France is a left-wing , revolutionary group, La Vielle Taupe.[4]

The French revisionist scholar, Dr. Robert Faurisson, is a life-long apolitical liberal who never had any sympathies with Nazism. Another prominent, left-of-center French intellectual who is sympathetic to Holocaust revisionism is Serge Thion.

The famous French political philosopher, Roger Garaudy, is a former leftist Communist theoretician who converted to Islam. He is also a noted proponent of Holocaust revisionism in France.

One of the premier spokesmen for Holocaust revisionism in America is Bradley Smith. His present wife is of Mexican descent and his ex was Jewish. For numerous years prior to his involvement with revisionism he was a liberal free speech advocate who described himself as a Libertarian. Clearly, he hardly fits the mold for a neo-Nazi.

Prominent American revisionist author and activist Michael Hoffman II has expressed stringent criticism of Adolf Hitler and Nazism. He wrote:

"Hitler was a disaster for Germany. He took fully legitimate ideas about organic community and rootedness to the soil and twisted them into a modern counterfeit. In the name of fighting the Bolshevik police state, he created one of his own. In the name of military prowess, he rendered his people defenseless before the merciless devastation of RAF bombers of the British Empire. He crusaded against Communism and ended up Communizing half of Europe. Hitler is the pre-eminent failure and incompetent of this historical era."[5]

Regarding Nazism as a political system, Hoffman's judgment is equally harsh and accurately reflects the consensus of opinion among many revisionists who I have associated with:

"The Nazi system was suited to an ant-hill comprised of servants, lackeys and toadies automatically obeying 'supreme leaders' whose vision was corrupted by the mindless adulation they commanded. How I chuckle sardonically when I stand amid howling Jewish mobs and bands of know-nothing reporters as they accuse all revisionists of trying to 'revive Hitler' and having a 'secret agenda' of 'neo-Nazism.'"[6]
Clearly, this is hardly the talk of a "neo-Nazi."

The fact of the matter remains that Holocaust revisionists cannot be politically stereotyped, as they represent a wide range of political opinion, leftist, liberal, libertarian, centrist, conservative, rightist. There is indeed also a visible minority of neo-Nazis that consider themselves Holocaust revisionists, but the vast majority of revisionists cannot be categorized as such. Holocaust revisionism is an historical school of thought and not a political movement.

In their Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why do They Say It? , Michael Shermer and co-author Alex Grobman write: "Some Holocaust deniers, particularly those with extremist right-wing leanings, might gain greater acceptance if the crime (of the Holocaust) attached to fascism had never actually happened. Without the Holocaust perhaps fascism would be a more acceptable alternative to democracy."[7]

Long before the Holocaust legend, a majority of people in the Western democracies rejected totalitarian fascist movements, thus showing that fascism is not an acceptable alternative to democracy in the minds of most European peoples.

Stephen Roth, a former director of the Institute of Jewish Affairs (London), proceeds to explain why he believes that Holocaust revisionism is the most effective weapon in the "neo-Nazi" arsenal:

"If the crimes of the Nazis can be wiped off the record of history, if the Nazi regime can be whitewashed and made to appear as admittedly somewhat disciplinarian and tough on law and order but basically harmless and more efficient than our allegedly lax Western democracies with their growing disorder, their crimes, violence, and riots, then the neo-Nazis would have won a great victory. The system advocated by them would also look harmless and acceptable, and the ideological resistance to it, largely based on awareness of the horrors of the past, would be undermined, particularly among younger people who have no personal experience of Nazi rule."[8]

Should the revisionists succeed in convincing the peoples of the Western democracies that the "gas chambers" never existed, the vast majority would still harbor considerable resistance to the philosophy, political system, and policies implemented during the Third Reich. The National Socialists advocated a command state, with one-party control of society and censorship of the press. By contrast, inherent in the modern political culture of the West is acceptance of a multi-party state, independence of the press from overt political control, and a disdain for open regimentation.

Indeed, historian Francis Nicosia considers this an important factor in England's refusal to ally with National Socialist Germany during the 1930s. He points out that there was a fundamental irreconcilability between the National Socialist and English political philosophies and systems.[9]

Furthermore, the populations of the democracies, particularly America, seem fixed in the belief that a certain quota of disorder and dishonor, from riots and street crime to political and economic corruption, is an acceptable price to pay for the maintenance of the democratic society.

If Holocaust revisionism is not a neo-Nazi movement, why do its opponents and critics continually label it as such?

What they are trying to accomplish, I believe, is very simple. If people end up believing that Holocaust revisionism is, in essence, a neo-Nazi movement, many will be convinced that due to this association that the principal tenets of revisionism are false and perhaps even evil. This is an ad hominem line of "reasoning" which is logically fallacious but very psychologically appealing to large segments of the population. The truth or falsity of a theory (such as Holocaust revisionism) is independent of the political leanings of its proponents. As the philosopher of science Karl Popper noted, it doesn't matter where hypotheses come from, only whether they explain the evidence they are based on, whether they are subject to disproof, and whether they can hold up to attempts to disprove them.[10]

In short, this "revisionism-equals-Nazism" accusation is simply an ideological battering ram utilized by revisionism's opponents to discredit and undermine Holocaust revisionism."

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